Wednesday, October 15, 2014

Week 2-3 1

Kerouac Please read and comment the link.

56 comments:

  1. I agree to Poe's first theory as to the length of a story or the piece being written due to the fact that some writers like to write stories that elongates for no reason but to add unnecessary words or scenarios that may confuse the readers unless this was intentional. It is important to keep a story intact and straightforward instead of straying away for reference that it gets to detached from the main idea. Aside from evoking emotions, it will be difficult even for the writer to read through if it isn't well constructed, which leads to the third theory of literary techniques. A writer must know how to construct his words and compose a correlation or to merry each stanza with each other.

    -Nikkei Pido

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  2. I found this very hard to get through but I do agree with what Poe said about writing.

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  3. Poe had some interesting theories on writing, how he didn't necessarily think that Godwin's method was wrong but he believed that every story should have a dénouement (or an ending) first thought up before any writer should start to sit down and write the rest of the story out. The plot then should play its self out and end up at the ending.

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  4. So I have never been a fan of Poe's but I will not call him wrong with what he has written. Every story should have just the right amount of words to keep the readers attention and to get to the end of the story. Side tracking on a thought or someone's narrative has definitely bored me from a lot of books. Those books I enjoy reading follow that principle, to keep is not short, but just long enough.

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  5. I completely agree with Tanner, this was a hard read. I do however find it Ironic that Poe wrote about how he is not a fan of pieces that take more than one sitting because a person's worldly problems can hinder the thought process and as hard as I tried reading this in one sitting, I had to take a break half way through.

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  6. Edgar A Poe had great insight to creating a successful composition. The length of any piece is important , it lets the reader to be engaged and not bored from reading such an extensive piece. After explaining the length , he gets into detail about the tone of the composition and then keeping in mind that originality is the key part of it; the uniqueness of his/her thoughts be part of the composition.

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  7. This was very hard to read but at the same time interesting how Poe had great composition and explain fit very well to us in a way that only some would understand ofcourse. I really enjoyed how he compares and contrasts many different stories and uses them for the explanation of his composition.

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  8. it is quite a long reading, escpecially if writing is not your passion. Although i do understand how Poe can write such a piece. He had a passion for writing and wanted it to be done correctly , just like many of us as Ai Students take passion in our crafts: Graphic Design, Fashion, Industrial. ETC. We would like to see our passions taken seriously.

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  9. I would have to agree that this was hard to read and lost my attention a couple of times. I agree that a story should have the ending pre-determined to make a good plot. I know for me I need to have the ending planned out. I feel that without an ending I would just be writing aimlessly. It was interesting reading how he came about writing his peom about the bereaved lover, The Raven, by understanding his ending first and working his way through the plot.

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  10. This read was more timely than the others, and often lost my attention. I found myself having to re-read multiple paragraphs, especially to get a full understanding. I did agree with Poe's theory on the tone and length, as well as the construction of an effect, with always being original. I think it is important for writers to be original to hold their readers attention. I also agree that you will lose the readers attention if you have too much length in one section.

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  11. It took me a while to read this. I read it a few times and kept re-reading the same paragraph. I eventually decided to take a break and come back and read it out loud. I did end up learning from it though. When I wrote my first story it took me a long time to figure out my ending because I didn't plan it ahead of time. I agree with Poe's theory of having the ending planned to and having the rest of the story flow.

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  12. This was another somewhat tough read. It took a little bit of time to get adjusted to the language used in this writing but I was able to understand what he was saying by the end. He explains what he feels makes a good story. To him, knowing the effect and ending you are trying to reach before you start writing is important so that you don't get side tract. Which leads to his next point of length. He believes that all pieces should be able to be read in one sitting. He also talks about how the writer must keep a consistent technique throughout the piece. He explains how he did all of these things in his poem "The Raven". I feel like he brings up many good points in this text.

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  13. I think Poe made some great points and using his poem as an example really helped me understand the thought-process and precision in The Raven's writing. While I was reading his theories I found myself thinking of stories from books or movies trying to see if his ideas applied.

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  14. This was extremely hard to finish.

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  15. Going to throw in the same comment many others had: This was hard to get through. Maybe it's the visual formatting, it's not as broken up as most of what I read online.

    I do agree with Poe's ideas about story writing - this is how I usually write, when I do. I'm not sure if I agree with his ideas about story length, however, the majority of it is sound advice.

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  16. I also found this to be very difficult to read, although I really enjoyed how he used his own poem, The Raven for examples.

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  17. Although this was a bit of a challenge to read, I adapted to what the language was telling me. Allan Poe has good points on story and character development and reading that was something I can relate to with my own stories.

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  18. Poe mentioned that the extent of literary work is vital. If a writing's length is too long, it loses it's excitement because, as he stated "intense excitements are.. brief". I don't really grasp that idea. I feel as though a story can take as much time as it needs in order to fully let it's audience understand it. He also mentioned that literary work should be short enough to be read in one sitting, is that because people get bored and lose interest? Maybe then it's just the overall story that is not interesting, regardless of it's length. I've read long stories in multiple sittings that have kept me enticed through out, and I've also read short stories in one sitting that were mehh.

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  19. This was quite difficult to read and just hard for me to stay attentive in it.

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  20. Wow I mean I guess back then they had a style where not a lot of people can keep to and be a successful writer. I got half way and I couldn't finish it. I love some of Poe's work but I couldn't finish this one.

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  21. Finally I was able to finish this. Seems like poe didn't follow his own suggestions, but then again, he was able to show the viewers the techniques and styles

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  22. wow it really felt like a lot of words on a page. It's the writing style. maybe too much descriptive, and I got lost in descriptive. Not sure. I wouldn't say it was to read.

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  23. Poe had a lot going on in this. I feel like he was trying to show all of his writing styles, but it just became a bit confusing. I kind of like how he says to make a short story good it must be able to be finished in one setting, but this was a little hard to finish for me. Maybe it wasn't that difficult to understand. He does have some amazing stories.

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  24. He really went into dept on the construction of his poem on this one. Although, this was the style of the language at the time. Choosing a subject, such as beauty, is great in trying to attract and relate to the audience. Nowadays, you can't get away from dealings of beauty in any story; it just has to be put in there somewhere. He also has a point with tone in sadness. Again, I see this all the time with drama everywhere and how sadness has to take a hit somewhere to make the audience relate and feel with the mood of the story. These were the two biggest parts that stuck with me because I see it everywhere, in different forms and presentations. Other than that, symbolism is a creative way to make the audience think of what may or may not be happening; you'd just have to keep sticking to story to fully understand meanings and themes. I would also like to add that he could've kept it brief with his explanation as well, as he described with his intentions in brevity with "The Raven."

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  25. This article was very lengthy but made it through surprisingly. I completely agree that you should always be original at all costs and always "keep it in view". I like the metaphorical expression of poetry and how it can be describing one thing, but that means something completely different just like the raven.

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  26. Although this was a difficult read at first I started to understand what is necessary in a story to make it well written. I believe that this will help me in this class as we read more articles.

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  27. I found this part of the reading to be interesting, "Either history affords a thesis — or one is suggested by an incident of the day". In that it is very true. Stories come from what we know and how we react to event. That is a big part about what i like about stories is because it is like a piece of the author and you get to see the world through their eyes.

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  28. I found it difficult to understand what Poe was trying to convey, as if he was demonstrating how something written in great length for great lengths sake has very little to offer in content to the reader. In my experience I've found poetry to be successful in being short in its composition, but lengthy in its interpretation. I believe in the art of storytelling, there must be a middle ground between these methods, you write in great detail, but if it's on everything, especially non-relevant elements, the reader can get lost. In reading "the great switcheroo" I found myself loosing interest within the first few pages because the author dedicated a substantial portion of those pages to describing the complexities of people's lower lips, which did nothing to advance the overall plot (which was actually interesting once the focus had been shifted towards it).

    Admittedly, I'm guilty of the opposite in most of my compositions, resorting to what I believe is referred to as "Chess Piece" Storytelling, in which the plot is reduced to events and facts as they occur (character goes here, character says this, character says that, "pawn to king four"). But, once in a while I'm able to slow the pace down to describe something within a scene in greater detail or give greater depth of a characters thoughts or feeling because they are essential to the plot.

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  29. I feel like Poe is being bias and monopolistic. His structure is fine to follow to a point but not for everyone. There are different ways of writing, not just his.

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  30. I have always found Poe to be very interesting. His stories are always a great thing to bring in. A lot of description, lots of detail. I might have to read it again to fully understand everything in here and to really take in what he wrote.

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  31. I enjoy Poe's work, a bit. However, his ideas on length of work bother me a little. I love novel pieces, long works where character relationships can fully form and elaborate worlds can be created.

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  32. The most beautiful piece of advice I think Poe has given us is that stories should be short and done in one sitting. Oft too many times I find myself disengaged with novels where sometimes I would lose motivation to even continue reading through it and often times I would just simply fall asleep in the middle of it. It works in the conforms of the audience but as the writer I think it would be difficult to grasp because to really get a hold of all that structure into your story (i.e. how he writes AFTER he plans it out), I feel that such a style would lead to frequent brain farts and artist blocks where I would find that Kerouac's style would be more appealing in terms of writing.

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  33. i have admired poes work and didnt know that he actually had a layout of how he wrote. i honestly thought that writers just pondered an idea and ran with it, left and came back with more details and situations for the characters. i find poes theory to be very useful and yet vague at the same time.

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  34. Poe's theory of writing is a hard read but his theory does make sense with a few certain pieces but not all. Long pieces help the reader become enveloped in the world of the story and delve further into the mythos of the world. Short stories are great for great story telling.

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  35. Poe freaks me out. Usually when I am scared or freaked out by something, I don't want to see it anymore or I don't want to be associated with it anymore BUT Poe's writing entices me to keep reading and learning about his stories and the meaning behind it all. It scares me because he makes me feel like I am going to discover something dark about myself. He truly has a very intelligent way of writing and his dark, vivid imagination could have been considered mad thinking or devil thinking during his time. Fascinating stuff. Wow.

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  36. I enjoyed his theory. A distinct limit, Unity of Effect!

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  37. I agree strongly with Poe's idea of making the story short enough to be read in one sitting. Every time that I try to read a book, I lose my train of thought once I put the book down. It feels more satisfying to be able to finish the book in one sitting, and to be able to imagine the story without any interruptions. Although the structured way of writing does help the reader grasp a better understanding of the story, I felt that Kerouac's way of writing was better in terms of interest.

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  38. I like the structure of Poe's theory of composition, especially the one about length. It would be nice to be able to finish a book in one sitting. Most of his work usually depresses me but it's well written. I think he's a great writer because he takes the time to think about how he wants to put the story together.

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  39. the way he writes is like he is neither telling a story nor describing an idea. It was a little confusing for me. I do not feel there is much of a flow so it is hard to stay focused; found myself having to read the same sentence more than once

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  40. In the piece that I just read, I really got the feeling that Poe is really full of himself but not in a way that makes him seem totally egotistical. He really believes that other writers should have the same approach and thought process he does when it comes to writing and if one doesn't it makes you ignorant. I understand his thinking somewhat and his feelings on the matter but we cant always expect others to think the same way or process certain experiences in the same way, this is what makes Poe stand out.

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  41. While I see what Poe means by keeping works to a size that is readable in one sitting, some times short story form is not enough to fill out the entire frame of whatever idea you happen to be writing. Perhaps in an ideal world man would be able to cut straight to the point, but the world is far from ideal.

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  42. I don't think there is anything wrong with leaving a novel or a piece of writing in the middle of it and coming back to it later. That time apart or breath of fresh air inbetween sittings could make you appreciate it as a whole even more. Just like an intermission within a play between acts, or a television series with weekly episodes. That time to reflect on the information given and story layed out can make you understand the characters better and enjoy the piece of art even more. Because in the scheme of sensory overload, you may forget about certain aspects of the work at hand if you just view it all in one sitting. Like the Masque of Red Death, one might forget a room and how it was draped in a certain color once he gets to the climax. - Charles Gray

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  43. Poe has an interesting approach, I like how he described the Unity of Effect, how it goes about using all of our techniques in every sentence and word all pertains to one effect; one purpose. I guess it's a preference also, because I can read a novel and come back to it later feeling the same effect I had when I read it last.

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  44. Poe developed a body of important principle about the nature of literature. He begins his discussion by asserting that literary works should start with the conclusion and then work back to the motivation or causes that lead to the “end”. Poe always begins his writing with an “effect,” a vivid one; then he determines what combination of incidents and tone will help him in the construction of that effect.

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  45. I really like his principles of making short stories or poems. If I remember correctly poem is written for beauty. The mind can only take so much- which should be read in one sitting.

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  46. I really like his principles of making short stories or poems. If I remember correctly poem is written for beauty. The mind can only take so much- which should be read in one sitting.

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  47. I'm going to be honest, this reading was hard to get through. He grabbed my attention in the beginning of the story, but I lost interest about halfway through. However, some of his beliefs in the beauty of literature were interesting. Things he said that captured my attention was statements such as, "Love your own life," and, "Be open minded and listen." I feel this is true for almost anything we do here on this Earth. He had some solid advice, but his style of writing just wasn't for me.

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  48. Interesting take on how to write, or perform, or to do anything relating to any sort of artistic item. There is a musician of sorts, a band, that in essence takes part of this theory – the vocalist comes in to record, and does it only once whether good or bad, if he’s in the mood, or is sick, it is recorded and it stays that way. One of the box sets that compiled all the work to date had a dissertation on most of the pieces and several he had actually mentioned he hated and thought it was shit, but to the fans it seemed ingenious.

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  49. Though this was a difficult read indeed, there were many points that Kerouac made for the "art of modern prose." Point 15 in particular, telling the true story through inner monolog, makes the most sense to me, for having the truths of the world being exposed through inner mentality and monolog seems more accurate than a realization spoken out lod.

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  50. It was really hard to stay focused reading this maybe because it was difficult read. Yet, it was interesting because I had to go back to reread some section to get a full understanding. What I took from it was that just to so straight at life and go with the flow even though there will bumps in the road. Interesting story and different.

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  52. Got bored and skipped through a lot of the points Kerouac was making most not useful to me personally. I agree this was a tough read. I was surprised there was still a story to read at the end of all that but I did enjoy it. His writing for me was very descriptive and color full which is the type of writing style I like to read.

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  53. Interesting.... I wasn't sure if the wrong link was posted or what, then I read some of the comments, and I guess its right. It was mostly a list and not a story like usual, but who am I to talk, we have only read 2 or 3 stories haha. This was hard to get through, but overall was interesting. The story did not catch my attention and did not draw me in. Kind of boring after just reading the Great Switcheroo last week.

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  54. Like most of the others, I also found this rather hard to understand. Great points are laid out to help others with their writing. I really enjoyed the writing style with was written in.

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  55. I'll comment, but I only received a maintenance error in french, which completely shook me. It's pleasant, yet authoritative.

    It said, Ce service est en cours de maintenance.
    Il reprendra son fonctionnement normal dans la matinée du 24/04/2015.

    Veuillez nous excuser pour la gène occasionnée.

    Cordialement, Cédric Devillers

    I don't know who Cédric Devillers is, but I thought his name was intriguing.

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  56. It was kind of hard to catch my attention trying to understand what the author was trying to convey. Some good points and interesting writing style.

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